Not bad beats. Deal is programmed to favor prop players, shills and others.

[DevilWolf1]

Bad beats happen in live games with a real dealer, not in online poker where the dealing system is rigged. it would be more appropriately called, getting robbed by shills, prop players, employees and relatives of employees. sites use shills, and prop players to go to slow tables to get the pots built up and increase the rake intake. even though there are genuinely stupid players out there that will do this same thing, the one sure sign of a shill or prop player is the player or players usually in groups of 2 and sometimes 3, that come to a slow table and immediately start raising or reraising big preflop every hand. then continue to call or bet big to the end. they always suckout and win no matter what cards they play. if other tighter players tighten up even more, and the pots still aren't increasing, this is when you see the premium, just can't fold hands, start getting dealt to you. this ensures you are going to call the seemingly stupid, loose players big bets and raises, thinking " I've got his dumbass now", it gets the pots increased ensuring the house of rake increases, pays off the prop or shill for their work, and robs you. this is why you see so many of these so called "bad beats". they also play on their own when not working. this is when 2 or 3 of them will show up at a table of legit players when 1 or more have built up a nice bankroll. they swoop in, play the same way until they steal your money, then off they go. some sites advertise the use of prop players some use shills on the sly. prop players, according to the sites, are used to get tables going or enter tables when the player count gets low, to keep the game going. according to the sites that use them, they are only used for those reasons and not to increase pots for higher rake intake. these sites pay prop players anywhere from $5 per hour to play $1/$2 and $2/$4 range tables to $30 per hour to play up in the $100/$200 and $150/$300 range, and they play with their own money at their own risk. now ask yourselves, would you go play at tables for a site risking your own money at those stakes for those hourly rates? I wouldn't play at $2/$4 tables for $5 an hour, or $100/$200 tables for $30 an hour. UNLESS, there was some better incentive. such as, oh maybe, cleaning up at the tables by winning miraculous, amazing, spectacular suckout rivers, or even worse runner runner to hit quads to beat the nut fullboat that was hit on the flop, and others that legit players get beat by and continuously call bad beats. the house has programmed the deal to favor these players at the tables to win money as extra compensation. the house gets the rakes increased, keeping profits increased and they keep their props and shills happy by letting them make a killing stealing legit players money at the tables. the site doesn't care about players cheating each other in any way because it doesn't affect the site, they only care about the pots and rakes. shills are used the same way but by sites that don't advertise using prop players. if a site uses props they have to state that they do. most sites don't like to admit they use props because of the questions and accusations of impartiality that arise, like I stated earlier. so they use shills on the sly. then there are the employees and relatives that come into play, but that is another story that I may get into another time as I've already written a book about his subject. as a matter of fact, I am in the beginning phases of actually writing a book about his subject. sites that do this, their methods, a compiled list of suspected shills at each site, what to look out for, how to spot a prop or shill, what hands to stay away from when a suspected shill is at the table and stuff like that.

[Dix_]

Real casinos use prop players too... are their tables "rigged"??? LOL :happy:

Ask a prop player in a casino how much they are paid per hour over and above anything they win... It's not as much as you'd think.

Over the last two months I've cashed-out 7 times my initial deposit... am I a "shill" too???? :happy:

If you think there is such a thing as a "just can't fold" hand... please play at my table often... LOL... Heck, I folded pocket Aces pre-flop once... seriously... and had good reason to do so. (and I've got 6,000 reasons why it was likely the best calculated laydown of my life)

Let me venture a semi-wild-a**ed guess...

You've suffered a bad beat or two (haven't we all) against a couple shmucks who stubbornly played that 9-2 offsuit to the river and sucked out on you... you then ran into something like this...

Internet Gambling Software Flaw Discovered by Reliable Software Technologies Software Security Group (http://www.cigital.com/news/index.php?pg=art&artid=20)

... which has been reprinted all over the place.

For the uninitiated.... the link above leads to an article about how some years ago a few eggheads figured out how to "predict" the cards held by opponents as well as the turn & river board cards by reproducing the pseudo-random shuffle of an online poker site. By knowing the way in which the site's software "shuffled" the deck they could input their hand and the flop, then their app searched a number of reproduced decks for a "match"... thus giving them the ability to know what their opponents held, plus what cards were to come on the turn & river.

Now... here's what our resident "genius" has failed to take into account...

That article was published SIX YEARS AGO!!! - 1999

(As a side note... the software company that produced the gaming software no longer exists)

Thus, however, the "urban legend" continues that online poker is "rigged"... mostly by bad players who think A-A and A-K should win every time... or a few paranoid types who've suffered more than a couple proverbial "bad beats".

Bad beats happen... in real cardrooms too... not just online. Do they happen more frequently online?.... absolutely... because online you are playing far more hands per hour... and are up against far higher percentage of extremely loose/bad players.

As a result... most sites now use a TRUE Random Number Generator in producing their "shuffle", as well as other methods of insuring a "random" deck.

While it may be "bad form" to quote the competition in a site's forum... this explanation from another site really does a better job of explaining this than the one here on HP...

Our approach is to forgo pseudo-random number generation wherever possible and instead use true random number generation from proven random physical devices. Our system utilizes thermal noise on a zener diode - shielded to prevent any environmental interference. The characteristics of this device are governed by the laws of quantum physics and are provably non-deterministic. Through the use of true random numbers and our shuffling algorithm (see below), we ensure first that it is impossible to predict the next card coming off the deck, and second that every possible shuffle combination is equally likely, all 8.06581751709439 X 1067 of them or 80,658,175,170,943,900,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000.

HP uses PokerRoom.com's software and servers (at most tables you are playing people who could be using either client - except for the "micro-limit" cash tables and special "HP only" tourneys) While the links are missing from HP's page in the following...

Are your cards really random?

Absolutely! We use Sun Microsystem's SecureRandom function for Java. Thorough testing and evaluation of the pokerroom.com poker software by third party auditing companies has found that:

*There was no statistical bias in cards dealt as pocket cards.
*There was no statistical bias in cards dealt to any of the board positions.
*There were no statistical differences in the cards dealt to games involving experienced players and the cards dealt to games involving new players.

We have also a database over the expected value for all of the played real money hands at our site. Or you can view the list of the pocket cards ranked by value or profit.

You can also search for the results of each starting cards combination.

You can also view a statistical analysis of 500,000 real money hands dealt in the Texas Hold'em poker game.

If you are still not convinced, there are links to the raw data (the hand histories) on that page, if you would like to conduct your own tests.

Here are the links to the pages referenced in that text...

https://www.pokerroom.com/main/page/games/cardStats
https://www.pokerroom.com/games/evstats/totalStats.php?order=value

(there are more than a few players who should REALLY study that page of starting hands ranked by "Expected Value" :happy: )

If online poker were truly "rigged" as a few believe can you imagine the liability were it to be proven??? That could be one whopper of a lawsuit. :happy:

DevilWolf, your "book" will rank right up there in "factual analysis" with stuff like Fahrenheit 9/11, Bowling for Columbine, Roger & Me, Canadian Bacon, & Downsize This!

Stop smoking that stuff... it's making you paranoid. :happy:

[DevilWolf1]

Dix_ . first, foremost and simply put, you should have some sort of clue what you are talking about before you run your mouth to someone you don't know. especially when you are "venturing a wild guess" and interpreting what you read according to your opinions rather than the facts. I have not based anything I said on that article you "insinuated" that I read to stir me up. but I did read it after you posted it. yes it was printed 6 years ago, but you seem to overlook the main point. an online poker room was hacked into, period. and just to fill your clueless self in on some up to date facts, online poker rooms are still being hacked into. also in case you didn't get the picture the first time, there is absolutely no such thing as 100% foolproof or secure RNG system out there. it is impossible. it is possible to accurately predict rng dealing patterns by having just 1 or 2 numbers used in creating it. hmmmm!!!! let's think about this a minute. maybe poker room managers, employees, shills, props, or site defending buttboys like you are given a couple of numbers, or even the whole pattern and that is why it is so easy to make those all in calls with 7,2 off against A,A. interesting.

bottom line, don't run your mouth in others conversations unless you understand what you are reading and have some actual facts to back your mouth up. don't accuse others of making posts for different reasons than they do, based on your moronic interpretations of the post.
oh no, lmfao. now I see why you responded so idiotically like you did, I just looked at your profile. man you are one ugly mutt, lol. what a total waste of sperm you are. no wonder you act like you do, I'd be miserable also if I couldn't get laid in a ***** house with a hand full of $100's. must suck getting stuck with sloppy seconds on the blow up doll huh? are you trying to impress someone with your filled in accomplishments in that profile or what? from maine, and by the sounds of it, a republican to boot, hahaha. well let me tell you something ACE, if I still lived in the boston area, you and I would be meeting in person, but then again I doubt you would be so brave to run your mouth to someone you knew lived close by and could look you up. anyways, here are a few factual links to clear up the air for idiots like you, and not some "copy and paste" ******** info set out by sites to make people think they are on the up and up.
have a nice day numbnuts.

www.rstcorp.com/news/gambling.html
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generator
www.cigital.com/news/index.php?pg=art&artid=20

[Dix_]

Why don't you get a few clues.... put down the crack pipe...

Press Release
Internet Gambling Software Flaw Discovered by Reliable Software Technologies Software Security Group

DULLES, Va., September 1, 1999—

Note the "Dateline" for your sources.... it's SIX YEAR OLD info.

And the software company that developed the program that was compromised NO LONGER EXISTS!!!!!

My "guess" was right on the money.... as your links verified... thank you. :happy:

I DO know what I'm talking about... you're just paranoid enough to think six-year-old junk is still valid... LMAO!!!!

If you had your Aces cracked by a 7-2o then learn how to play Aces and next time don't let him see a free flop from the BB by thinking you're clever and limping with them... I've seen aces cracked all the time by pathetic hands against guys like you who don't know how to play Aces. :happy:

[macsrule_va1]

Dix,

Seeing how you love this site so much maybe you can get an answer to the following question I asked HP.

When was the last analysis of the software done and how often do they engage in this audit.

For some reason they just wont say.

Macs

[Dix_]

That's because you aren't asking the source... try asking over at PokerRoom.com :happy:

https://www.pokerroom.com/main/page/games/cardStats

[macsrule_va1]

pokerroom rents the software like the other skins

and if HP is citing the sources to justify their online poker room, than they should be able to provide the dates ........

Do you really think it's ok to say hey our software is safe look at this data and not be able to say how often the results are obtain and when the last time they did a check was.

The scary thing is .... if you are right .... what does that say about their competency. They have no idea as to the legitimacy of their software. Do you really realize what you are saying. In your defense of HP you have just made them look completely incompetent.

Well done ... maybe you should have listened to the other guy who told you to only talk about what you know.


macs

[Dix_]

"other skins"????

HP IS a skin yes..... of PokerRoom

There are no "other" skins... well... unless you want to count BetOnBet and Bayou... which account for what... all of MAYBE 5% of PR traffic.

At any rate... PokerRoom is the "big daddy" of "The Poker Network"... and is the "host" site.

Perhaps you should take your own advise and know what you're talking about before you open your trap.

If you don't like HP/PR or Pacific... you'll have to get a PC... guess Macs don't rule after all do they.

Either that or you & your buddy DevilWolf will have to stop smoking that stuff & learn how to play poker :happy:

[macsrule_va1]

How can one person be wrong so often.

Next time do you own google search. below you will see the bio of the software company that developed and owns pokerroom.com and HP's software. If you really want to be correct then you should have said go to ongame not pokerroom.

You said:

If you don't like HP/PR or Pacific... you'll have to get a PC... guess Macs dont' rule after all do they.

I know of 4 other non ongame sites that are mac friendly. Thats enough for me

I've never talked to DevilWolf in my life. By my count Macs 3 squid 0

Macs

Ongame is a world leader in digital entertainment with a focus on poker. The Group develops and markets everything from stand-alone products to turnkey solutions in poker and casino games for digital media. The Group owns one of the world's most popular poker sites, PokerRoom.com with more than 4 million registered players. Revenue in 2004 was SEK 411 million with a pretax profit of SEK 137 million. Ongame is one of Sweden's fastest growing companies and was named IT Company of the Year 2005 by Swedish business weekly Veckans Affärer.

"other skins"????

HP IS a skin yes..... of PokerRoom

There are no "other" skins... well... unless you want to count BetonBet and Bayou... which account for what... all of MAYBE 5% of PR traffic.

At any rate... PokerRoom is the "big brother" to them all... and is the "host" site.

Perhaps you should take your own advise and know what you're talking about before you open your trap.

If you don't like HP/PR or Pacific... you'll have to get a PC... guess Macs dont' rule after all do they.

Either that or you & your buddy DevilWolf will have to stop smoking that stuff & learn how to play poker :happy:

[Dix_]

How can one person be wrong so often.

By thinking he's always right.... tell me... how does that feel??? :happy:

If you take the time to find the "corporate" numbers for PR and OnGame.... it's the same number... different extension..... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[macsrule_va1]

once again .... I will say it slowly ... ongame owns pokerroom .... you said go to the source pokerroom ... I said the correct response from you should have been go to the source ongame.

btw it feels good to be right most of the time

I think I gave you 3 points to respond to.....


macs

By thinking he's always right.... tell me... how does that feel??? :happy:

If you take the time to find the "corporate" numbers for PR and OnGame.... it's the same number... different extension..... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DevilWolf1]

he can't respond to them. he is a complete idiot. the name says it all, DIX, he may be one, or he may like alot of them, lmao.
by the sound of dix's "copy and paste" responses( which by the way, sound amazingly similar to a response from support when talking about this subject) he may work for the site as an actual employee, or is one of those house shills working the tables. trouble is, he is so caught up in "copy and paste" responses, he doesn't even take the time to understand what the hell he is talking about.
and for you information dixhead, this has nothing to do with you and your A,A bad beat theory, so get on to something that makes sense.
and I put that one link in there that you were talking about, to make a point, which once again you missed because you are a complete moron. the point being, now read carefully, A SITE WAS HACKED AND HAD IT'S RNG CRACKED, THE RNG WAS CRACKED, THE RNG WAS CRACKED, GET THE PICTURE? RNG'S ARE NOT 100% SECURE DUMMY. ANYONE THAT HAS AN RNG SOFTWARE PROGRAM SETUP ON THEIR COMPUTER AND GETS AHOLD OF JUST ONE OR 2 NUMBERS OF A RNG SEQUENCE, CAN CRACK ANY SITES RNG AND ACCURATELY PREDICT ALL CARDS IN THE HAND IN PLAY, INCLUDING OPPONENTS CARDS, AND TURN AND RIVER BEFORE THEY ARE EVEN DEALT.. ALSO, IF THE SOFTWARE ANALYSIS AUDIT IS NOT DONE REGULARY, THE RNG SOFTWARE WILL BREAK DOWN AND BECOMES MORE AND MORE SUCCEPTABLE TO IT'S PATTERN BEING PREDICTED. THE LONGER IT GOES, THE EASIER TO PREDICT.
so let me be generous and give you 1 point just for the sake of a debate. lets say that sites servers cannot be hacked, which is ******** by the way. what's to say that a poker room manager or whoever isn't capable of giving some buddies or relatives info on the sites number sequence for it's RNG? or that the managers and others aren't using that info for themselves?

so how much do they pay you to be one of the house idiots dix? LOL

[Dix_]

once again .... I will say it slowly ... ongame owns pokerroom .... you said go to the source pokerroom ... I said the correct response from you should have been go to the source ongame.

And I'll say it again slowly....

Why would it matter when they are one in the same????

Did that get through your simple mind??? :happy:

Do you always pick gnat s**t out of pepper????

Tell me... would it matter if you called "Microsoft" or "Windows" with a question... because that's what you are trying to say... LMAO!!!!!

Grow up & learn how the world works son. :happy:

[Dix_]

A SITE WAS HACKED AND HAD IT'S RNG CRACKED

SIX YEARS AGO!!!!!!

Like I said... stop smoking that stuff & learn how to play poker :happy:

[macsrule_va1]

Tell me... would it matter if you called "Microsoft" or "Windows" with a question... because that's what you are trying to say... LMAO!!!!!:


Actually if you are trying to say that Microsoft and windows are the same they are not. Windows is a program (operating system) created by Microsoft.

ok simple math

If A = B and B = C then A = C

plug it in

A Windows (a program) = B Microsoft (a company) then Windows = PowerPoint rutt row we have a problem hence Microsoft is not the same as Windows one encompasses the other.

Glad to be of help

Macs

[OCVI]

If you think there is such a thing as a "just can't fold" hand... please play at my table often... LOL... Heck, I folded pocket Aces pre-flop once... seriously... and had good reason to do so.

If you're talking about a cash game, there is absolutely NO time at which folding AA preflop is the right move. None whatsoever, I don't give a damn if the other 9 players in front of you all pushed in - your job with AA is to push right along with them. This despite the fact that there are circumstances where you are less than 50% to win the pot. It is always incorrect to fold.

Rule freaking #1 for cash games is NEVER FOLD AA PREFLOP.

And, if you're talking about a cash MTT you probably also didn't have good enough reasons to fold it. In an SNG you might (say, if on the first hand everyone in front of you pushed in, and you were in the BB with AA, then you might fold b/c although in terms of chips its a -EV play, in terms of real cash its +EV).

Only other time this is justified play is the RARE exception near the end of a qualifier tournament (not a cash tournament) where finishing above X position has the same return as first. Then, and then only rarely, is the fold the right play.

I know this is off topic for the actual thread, but i hate hearing "I correctly folded AA preflop" because generally it's absolutely incorrect play that is being justified.

If you think I'm wrong please give me the specifics of the hand and we'll see :rolleyes:

[meanstreak3]

Maybe the gaming commison should look at the software as they do all the casinos in America, the problem is that the software is not in America!!!! They can do what they want how they want..

And just like Casinos....money talks and BS walks...facts of life, if it is rigged it is rigged. How else to beat it than beat it at its own game.

Dix!!! Nothing is hack proof...I guarantee it.

[coco beanner]

Maybe HP should have an option to exchange your poker points for tin foil hats. :roflmao:

[OCVI]

Maybe HP should have an option to exchange your poker points for tin foil hats. :roflmao:

........would be more than they're worth right now!

[DevilWolf1]

If you think there is such a thing as a "just can't fold" hand... please play at my table often... LOL... Heck, I folded pocket Aces pre-flop once... seriously... and had good reason to do so. (and I've got 6,000 reasons why it was likely the best calculated laydown of my life)

maybe he did fold A,A preflop, and maybe he did have good reason to do so. like maybe knowing what was going to be dealt. hmmmmmm!!!!!! nothing like helping prove a point numbskull. I have to agree with OCVI, nobody in their right mind would ever fold A,A preflop except maybe in the 2 last scenarios he mentioned. unless, they already knew what the end result of the hand was going to be.

maybe that is why he is such a big money winner here and such a hardcore defender of the site against those who KNOW online poker rooms are rigged, lol. hard to lose when you have inside info on the deal.

[OCVI]

I have to agree with OCVI, nobody in their right mind would ever fold A,A preflop except maybe in the 2 last scenarios he mentioned.

Well, you've right about at least one thing - you're right to agree with me about poker theory. :roflmao: That's always a +EV wager. :happy:

PS - I don't think the site is rigged, I just think they have a serious short term memory problem and enjoy making people jump through hoops for $$$ which then never actually see, and then that person is forced to drop 'them' when they realize the game is up. :eek:

[DevilWolf1]

I definately believe poker sites are rigged. It's so easy to do from the sites side. Any computer program that is created, is created with an accessible interface so that the user/users running or maintaining the program can access it to do any number of things such as upgrades, troubleshooting problems, programming it or changing an existing program to have it do any assigned tasks that you want it to do. All poker site dealing programs are easily accessible to do such a thing through interfaces, two common ones are called, CLI (command line interface, where you type commands at a prompt line) or GUI (Graphical User Interface). GUI being the most popular, easiest and fastest way to do it. It's just a matter of entering any number of pieces of information, depending how the program is set up, to rig the deal or a game. They can set the deal to favor a certain seat or seats at a table. They can enter the table number and seat number/numbers, and that seat/seats will win no matter who is sitting there. They can set the deal to favor individual players by entering that players screenname and/or any other information they want. And they can also rig the game against players by using the same methods.
I believe sites rig games for many reasons which can be debated forever and you will always have those for and against in that debate.
My main point is, whether anybody wants to believe that sites do rig games or not, that it is entirely possible that it can be done.
And if anyone thinks sites can't be hacked into because their servers and server info is so secure because the sites tell you their security is unbreachable, think again.

Domain Name: hollywoodpoker.com
IP Address: 69.90.81.51

Mail Server #1
Name: mail.hollywoodpoker.com
IP Address: 69.199.138.210

DNS Server #1
Name: ns2.hollywoodpoker.com
IP Address: 69.199.138.205

DNS Server #2
Name: ns1.hollywoodpoker.com
IP Address: 66.199.138.202

And if anyone thinks I made up this info just go to www.gammadyne.com and download the gammadyne mailer. On the toolbar at the top on the screen click on "tools", in the dropdown screen click on "locate mail server". In the small box that pops up type in "hollywoodpoker.com" and see for yourself.
If their site was so secure, do you think anybody would be able to find server IP Addresses like this and so easily? And if I did it so easily do you really think that any good hacker couldn't get the info and use it to hack into the site?
I have been arguing with the site over stuff and I sent this info to them to prove a point. I got my account locked on me and I can no longer log into the poker room, lol. I'm surprised I could log in here, but I won't be surprised if after this post, this account will get locked also. You see, they don't like it when people know what they are talking about and prove them wrong, so when you really put them over a barrel, they just lock out your account and be done with you, lol. I guess they don't like anyone proving that their phony secure site claims are a sham. The site claims of being regulated, having a secure site and the best security system and not rigging games because of the legality issue is a bunch of ********. Just like in politics, when everyone involved is making big money off of something, nobody is going to step on each others toes. No matter what they say, the #1 reason these poker sites have their servers based offshore is because of the legal issue. No matter where the actual physical headquarters or offices are located, the crime is being commited from the servers themselves, and any legal proceedings against a site would have to be instituted from the location of the crime. Who is going to go to any of those server locations to sue or bring legal proceedings against a site? And they know that. Why else would they have the offices in one location and servers located in various islands and other off the wall places? But that is also a double edged sword for them. They bank on the fact that nobody will check things out and figure out that the sites can do nothing against anybody that tries to or succeeds in hacking them or doing anything else to them, Hmmmmm!!!!!
Just some food for thought.

[Supa J]

I definately believe poker sites are rigged. It's so easy to do from the sites side. Any computer program that is created, is created with an accessible interface so that the user/users running or maintaining the program can access it to do any number of things such as upgrades, troubleshooting problems, programming it or changing an existing program to have it do any assigned tasks that you want it to do.

Yep, I guess sites could manipulate cards from inside.....


Domain Name: hollywoodpoker.com
IP Address: 69.90.81.51

Mail Server #1
Name: mail.hollywoodpoker.com
IP Address: 69.199.138.210

DNS Server #1
Name: ns2.hollywoodpoker.com
IP Address: 69.199.138.205

DNS Server #2
Name: ns1.hollywoodpoker.com
IP Address: 66.199.138.202



Every computer (even your PC) on the internet has this info publicly available...... and I do mean every site, including NASA, FBI, CIA, your internet bank and every other site you could possibly think of..... this is the info that all computers use to talk to eacj other, ie whenyou type in the name www.hollywoodpoker.com your PC has to be able to look up the address to connect to, a bit like you looking up a phone number in the phone book.

If this info is kept secret then you can't connect to the site..... in fact when you have a problem connecting to a site it is often because the DNS (name server has gone down). If they don't have a mail server then they can't send/receive your emails, once agan although you type in a nice email address, computers convert this to a nice nmber to send the email.

What's more, the IP addresses that you found are just for the hollywood poker website, the secure servers with the poker games on it have different (publicly available) IP addresses, but rather than publish this top secret info here I'll let you figure out how to look this up.

Just go to www.gammadyne.com and download the gammadyne mailer. On the toolbar at the top on the screen click on "tools", in the dropdown screen click on "locate mail server". In the small box that pops up type in "hollywoodpoker.com" and see for yourself.

Why bother downloading the gammadyne, since you ca get the same info using a CLI on your PC or Mac

If their site was so secure, do you think anybody would be able to find server IP Addresses like this and so easily? And if I did it so easily do you really think that any good hacker couldn't get the info and use it to hack into the site?

The security isn't in keeping the IP addreses secret, since this is not possible (see above) it is in the software that is used to authenticate logins and yes this probably can be hacked as can any site given enough skill and effort, however the software is far more advance than it was 10 or even 2 years ago.

I have been arguing with the site over stuff and I sent this info to them to prove a point. I got my account locked on me and I can no longer log into the poker room, lol. I'm surprised I could log in here, but I won't be surprised if after this post, this account will get locked also. You see, they don't like it when people know what they are talking about and prove them wrong, so when you really put them over a barrel, they just lock out your account and be done with you, lol. I guess they don't like anyone proving that their phony secure site claims are a sham.

Dunno why they bothered either, who is this person that knows what they are talking about????

The site claims of being regulated, having a secure site and the best security system and not rigging games because of the legality issue is a bunch of ********. Just like in politics, when everyone involved is making big money off of something, nobody is going to step on each others toes. No matter what they say, the #1 reason these poker sites have their servers based offshore is because of the legal issue. No matter where the actual physical headquarters or offices are located, the crime is being commited from the servers themselves, and any legal proceedings against a site would have to be instituted from the location of the crime. Who is going to go to any of those server locations to sue or bring legal proceedings against a site? And they know that. Why else would they have the offices in one location and servers located in various islands and other off the wall places? But that is also a double edged sword for them. They bank on the fact that nobody will check things out and figure out that the sites can do nothing against anybody that tries to or succeeds in hacking them or doing anything else to them, Hmmmmm!!!!!
Just some food for thought.

Lets look at what happens if someone did hack the RNG, they could

1) Use the info them selves and perhaps share it with a few close and trusted mates
2) Sell the info for a large amount of money to a few people
3) Sell the info to a large number of people for a modest amout of money

Scenario 1)

Maybe this has happened and a few geeks are making a killing, but this wouldn't account for all the allegedly rigged hands played, especially since I wouldn't be bothered playing 2/4c and $5 tourneys if I knew what all the cards were. Then again if I could hack a poker site I would just hack a bank and transfer a few million here or there in to a nice offshore account since the security software is of the same grade.

Scenario 2)
Again maybe this is possible but again this wouldn't account for all the allegedly rigged hands played, especially since I wouldn't be bothered playing 2/4c and $5 tourneys if I knew what all the cards were

Scenario 3)
If this were true, then sooner or later some moron would shoot his mouth off and put it on the internet and there would at least be rumours of being able to buy this info/software on the darkside of the internet..... and there's not.

So I guess you are right...... it's all an inside job.