Tips for Classifying?

[GoldBoar]

Ok,

For those of us who use the Java "no download" client to play at HP, we just got the ability to take notes and "classify" players. As someone who is starting out with this feature, are there any tips on how you've designated some of the icons? I prefer to not want to change the green plus sign to something else in a month, after tagging people with it for something, but nothing intuitive comes to mind as far as what to attach to it.

What do you all use Green +, Green -, Yellow ! to mean?

Thanks!

[heraclitus V]

yellow = someone you see from time to time, you have not evaluated yet

yellow! = alert, possible idiot... makes calls and bets he should NOT

green = proficient

green+ = strong player usually only plays strong hands

green- = ok

red = complete moron, idiot, buffoon, fratboy f*cktard, plays all-in until everybody at the table hates him because he keeps sucking out with J2 offsuit


of course you can make your own notes

:spade::heart::club::diamond::eek:

[GoldBoar]

Thanks for your tips, Heraclitus.

It kind of points out why I wanted to do this. I looked at it like this: green = go = someone to look for = fish. Red = stop = someone to avoid = winner.

Maybe that's why the green + and - didn't seem intuitive.

Anyone else want to share their system?

[OCVI]

Its also a good idea to select your classifications in reference to what game you usually play - for instance, I would set up very different categories for limit rings vs. MTT/SNG play, because you're looking at different things. Also, don't be afraid to CHANGE your classifications when you see someone repeatedly, and while you originally classified them one way, it now appears more appropriate to call them something else.

As for coding - you'll want to define not only by the quadrants (tight/loose/aggressive/passive) but also by other common things in your game - are they tricky, are they straightforward/think they are tricky but are just plain stupid - which is essential knowledge for limit rings, but for tournaments you might want to know other things like do they play their cards or their stack (or both), how do they move their stack, are they different when playing short/deep. There are a LOT of things to watch for, and really, more than can just be put in the number of lights they give (although, you can replicate, I believe, most of the 'animal kingdom' using these lights). So, never forget the value of the written notes as well.

Beyond that, I'm not about to run through every possible category I can think of, because, like I said, it's all relevant to the game/level (eg - I don't expect to classify someone playing low end tournaments having a certain thinking depth, but that might be more important for a higher end cash game NL or limit).

Happy hunting! :waytogo:

[DonRock.Geo]

red = SHARK
yellow = Medium
green minus = small fish (passive)
green = average fish
green plus = big fish (maniac)

[d0nk2myleft]

horrible, simply horrible.

[ADAMTHEXPERT]

Ok,

For those of us who use the Java "no download" client to play at HP, we just got the ability to take notes and "classify" players. As someone who is starting out with this feature, are there any tips on how you've designated some of the icons? I prefer to not want to change the green plus sign to something else in a month, after tagging people with it for something, but nothing intuitive comes to mind as far as what to attach to it.

What do you all use Green +, Green -, Yellow ! to mean?

Thanks!


Ok FINALLY a decent question. Hmmmm, now that you mention in, I now recall that ATE tried to play on this site, but the ^@#%&#@@%^king failure of them to have a note-taking feature, caus'ed me to c ash out.


I guess that should tell you a bit about the sheer importance of note taking! But, my friend, I am afraid that you have it wrong. As is the way i n this SICK new world of lazyness and mediocrity, the concept on just assigning a "classification' to a player, using some freakin' "dot"

make me want to puke my guts out, or laugh my head off, I'm not sure which.

Just like every other thing in the world, where quality gives way to expedience, trying to get any useful poker help, by MERELY giving a "classification" to a player, IS GOING TO COST YOU MAJOR EARNING POTENTIAL.

What we are looking for here, is NOT some "classification" but SPECIFIC tendencies, based on careful observation, OVER more than one play (whereever possible)

putting down someone as a "loose-aggresive" or "weak-tight" is NOT going to solve your player notes problem, and is of so minimal value, that your time is better spent elsewhere. Better to play one or two more games while multi-tabling, then to play fewer games, where the only informatiion you have is a "classification"

Now, when you be busy, it's ok to type down "hopelelss calling station" or "sheriff", BUT, when you have time, this should be followed-up with more specific information.

Now, this subject is so involved and so important, that It would actually require a small book, to completly address

So, we'll just have some guidelines:


KNOW THAT IN MANY SITUATIONS AND GAMES, the concept of note taking is an utter waste of time.

The more infinite the universse of players there is, in your game/site of choice, the more useless the information is. ESPECIALLY if the game is freakin' limit hold em!

If you are a 3-6 player on "poopy" poker (you know what I mean) please save your wear and tear of your fingertips, and dont EVEN take any notes. Again, eventually you would start to encounter the same players, (especially in you sought them out) BUt, the advantage that you could gain, (in limit) is VERY minor.

EXCEPT, for a very very rare type of player, who engages in rare behavior, that could

GET YOU THE WHOLE @%&#$%&%KING POT, not just another bet.

This is the primary function of notes, TO GET OR SAVE AN ENTIRE POT.!

If, few example, you have experienced a player who FREQUENTLY (don't make this note, based on ONE observation) bluff-raises on the river, and you HAVE that information handy, this could (obviously) earn you a whole pot, when you would have had to fold, without this note. (but NOT if it was a big pot)


Ok, well, ATE so loves his fans, that I sometimes try to teach 'em everything at once. I'm afraid I'd have to type for ten years straight, to do that, so let's just go back to the guidelines


(2)Understand that this is a tool, not a be all end all CURE to your poker woes, and that you do NOT make a MAJOR decision, based on notes.
Because of the fact that a person may have been just playing differently (when you took the note) or is in fact A DIFFERENT PERSON PLAYIN' A FRIEND'S ACCOUNT, you would NEVER make some major financial decision, just on the note. You would COMBINE (ATE's trademark word, you'll see it alot, uh ,if those AUSSIE girls, don't be votin' me off) this information, with proper strategic and mathmatical poker concepts, to arrive at the proper decision.

As is the ATE way, we will have an example

EXAMPLE

you have noted a player making very large bluffs on the end, and have recorded, say three instances where you have observed this.

Now, you are playing, say 400 max NL hold em, and have built up your four, into say 1200. The river-bluffer dude, has also a similar stack.


So, if you had, say A5 of diamonds, and called 8 bucks, and flopped a flush draw, and called a small amount on the flop and turn, and now made a pair of fours on the river, and blufferdude bets 1100 on the river, you would NOT call the 1100.

Well, I have reached my "typing limit" sorry, but that's the end of the article.

hope you learned something, good luck with your new toy.

adam

[GoldBoar]

Sorry to take a while to respond, but I didn't notice the update to this article.

As for your comments, I wholeheartedly agree that someone doesn't get labelled anything based on one or two hands. In the notes section, I keep track of how many times I've sat with a player, what kind of game, what the stakes are, etc.

Thanks.

[kaytarah]

Green= someone who is an ATM machine:roflmao:

Yellow= someone who plays consistant but I still consider on my level :happy:

Yellow +be wary :bunny:

Red= someone who has ticked me off in various ways (keep notes for offenses) :starwars:

Red+= someone who is obnoxious at the table and is known to break up a game.:devil:

[x searcher]

Green = played against
Red = Tite rock
Yellow = Caution loves to trap
Green + = Overly aggressive -- (Trap this guy)
Green - = Passive
Yellow ! = Caller, do not bluff or Slow play him

I use these mostly as a way to choose tables. When I see a couple of yellow! thats the table I want.