POLL - Please Take: EARLIER Early Outer?

[Al N Smithee]

Poll



'EARLIER Early Outer'




The idea behind this is that it won't really BE a tourney for anyone 'out early' anywhere BUT will be played on a weekday - probably Monday or Wednesday - around 6PM edt (also yet to be decided) since there are many who would like to participate in the Monthly Points Race but can't play as late as we've had to in order to follow the celeb tourneys. This new tournament, if added, would be the fourth of the series, open to EVERYONE to play and count toward the Monthly Points Race totals.

People who work early the next morning, live on the east coast and several requests from European players are the reasons I'm considering doing this starting in August.


Please take the time to answer this poll,
especially if an EARLIER TIME will BENEFIT YOU.


If not enough interest is shown by this poll I may not do this as I don't need the extra work, but wanted to be fair to those who would like to play in this series and can only make one or less per week. So if you are reading this and know of someone who would play if the time was earlier, please direct them here to take this poll.




Post any comments or suggestions in this thread as well.

As always, this tourney would be OPEN TO ALL and would also count toward the August Early Outer Points Race totals.

Thank you.








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[3vb0]

None of those times are overly great for an Australian player. But I guess the two 7.05P.M options are the best. They correspond to 9.05A.M Tuesday and Thursday for me. I'm hardly a stalwart of this series having only played once so I'm not expecting you to cater to me!

[Skallagrim45]

Well you have certainly got a lot of votes here Al N. Unfortunately they dont seem to be congealing around any one time.

I gave this a little bit of though before voting Monday, 5:30. I picked Monday because many other people are starting Wednesday Tournaments (even you have that Omaha one going) and with Tue and Thur already booked, leaving a gap in the middle seems a good idea - and 7 PM ish is my dinner, just getting home time!

However, I think you might want to consider something really unusual - like Saturday at 3:00 PM or the like. I say this because it seems the desire to have a fourth early outer is for those who really cant do the late Tue and Thur. Since those folks will not be playing in those, its kind of fair to have another spot where many of the regular weeknight crowd WONT be. Sort of balances out the monthly leader board competition: one group playing regularly weeknights, another playing regularly weekend afternoons. Of course the diehard fierce competitors will still play them all .... :silly:

Good luck Al N, and thanks for all your efforts here.

Skallagrim

[surfman22]

Almost anytime will work, but I really like to miss the dinner hour here on the east coast. 7 is ok as most of the other trny don't start until 8. Thanks again for all your hard work in this series Al.

[Al N Smithee]

For all your input and suggestions.

Skall a weekend game may still be the most fair way to handle those with weekday obligations, but trying to get into an afternoon - for time of day elsewhere considerations - on Saturday runs into things like the Royal, Lucky Dollar and FRENZY. Not that many of us don't play in more than one at a time, but think we are in more than one at those times already.

Dinnertime also is a consideration for many of us BUT remember this one would be added not for our general players' conveniences but for the convenience of those NOT regularly playing for location vs times and scheduling reasons. I appreciate your responses, but would like to hear MORE from those at which this game would be aimed.

Right now, with what I've seen posted, I am thinking that an EARLIER Early Outer may make a good lead-in tourney in its own right for SamSal's Monday Night game with maybe a 6:05/6:35PM edt start time. The later time coincides with more of the votes but the earlier of the two more with what I am understanding to be a better time for our target audience for this event. If I am wrong in any of these assumptions, please post here and let me know.

Also, I'd want to be sure SamSal thinks that it will not interfere with her tourney. Maybe, I am hoping, one will feed the other and BOTH will benefit.

Anyway, MY thoughts so far.

I'd feel a lot better if more people who've stopped by would actually VOTE. ESPECIALLY, THOSE HAVING A HARD TIME PLAYING THE REGULAR ONES DURING THE WEEKNIGHTS. That is what THIS NEW ONE is all about. I'm still not convinced we really need it, judging by the limited responses so far. But promised I'd look into it, so I am. BALL IS NOW IN YOUR COURT. If none of these times works for you, post that here telling me what would - also keeping in mind the rest of HP's scheduled tourneys too please.






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[--HONEY--]

Athough I haven't had a game I took the poll. Is this the Omaha or the HE?

[Al N Smithee]

Will be NL Hold'em $5.50 buy-in, flat payout, normal blinds, no rebuys, 10 seats to table, exactly like the other 3 except day and time and won't be following a celebrity tourney. But thx for asking, maybe someone else wasn't sure either.







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[lisamarie20]

do i get a star if i take the poll and make a glib reply?

[3vb0]

Al, have you considered using the slower blind structure, 12 min rounds I think?

Since you are emphasising the quality of players in these games why not give those players more room to show case their skills? With 10 minute rounds I find that the blinds quickly become too high compared to the total amount of chips in play in these small MTTs.

With your desired 30 players that's only 45 000 chips in action and by the time the final table is formed (or shortly thereafter) I think the blinds could be approaching the 400, 800/500, 1000 mark, meaning everyone is short stacked. Which forces desperate play and does bring the game to a conclusion... But with 12 minute rounds the blinds would still be 2 or 3 levels below this allowing for more final table play and play which I think would be of a higher standard due to the lessening of the pressure from the blinds.

Just a suggestion.

[Big Felter]

Sorry, new to the forum I gotta ask ... what is the points race - are Hp points posted somewhere as a race? Cool if so:dance:

and umm with all due respect
Godess of poker you are ... wow! If that is you in the pic!?

[Kelliekrop24]

Monday the winner? :)

[3vb0]

Sorry, new to the forum I gotta ask ... what is the points race - are Hp points posted somewhere as a race? Cool if so:dance:

and umm with all due respect
Godess of poker you are ... wow! If that is you in the pic!?


Ok, first things first, that's not me in the pic, that's my wife. :luv:

Secondly, to steal Al's thunder (hope he isn't responding to this as I type) the points race referred to here is in regards to a series of 3 MTTs that run each week on Hollywood Poker known as the 'Al N Smithee Early Outer series' (hereafter referred to as the ANS EOs). Each of the ANS EOs is a 5 + .50 MTT, with usually 3 - 5 places paid.

However, the top 5 finishers in each of the ANS EOs are also awarded points, these points are accumalted throughout the month in a 'points race'. The 3 top scoring players in the points race earn additional prizes provided by Hollywood Poker. (This is on top of the cash they would have won in the individual games!)

Lastly, Al N Smithee is a long time member of Hollywood Poker who created and hosts this series, which is now experiencing a 'golden age'.

You can read all about these games (including how and where to find them) in this thread: What is an ANS Early Outer? (http://forum.hollywoodpoker.com/showthread.php?t=6940)

This month's (July) Early Outer Point's race leaderboard is located in this thread (http://forum.hollywoodpoker.com/showthread.php?t=6936)

Ok, one last thing, she's not really my wife (I wish she was) she is Hollywood Poker Model Ashley Dorenzo. I'm just a fan (read: internet stalker). You can check her and the other, much less attractive HP models out here (http://pokergirls.hollywoodpoker.com/). The Goddess of Poker is a nickname I gave her, I don't know what she thinks about it, but it refers to entry #1 in this thread (http://forum.hollywoodpoker.com/showthread.php?t=6634)

[Al N Smithee]

Kellie Monday is NOT the winner yet, but it is the way I'm leaning based on the poll and my thoughts thus far.


Felter these are Early Outer Points (EOP's) though you do get HP's Player Points credited to your account same as for playing any other $5.50 sng. EOP's are only good to determine who is ahead and who wins the ANS Early Outer Race at the end of each month. To learn more about the entire series of ANS EO Tourneys go here:

http://forum.hollywoodpoker.com/showthread.php?t=6940

(Or you probably know all this already as 3vbO types faster than I do. Thanks for getting my back, 3vbO. I'm not always here to do it. Good to know you guys and gals will step up to cover me. Thanks again.)



3vb0, though I do agree with your premise, the main problem with most of the ANS EO's right now is that they start 'late' for many players and with more playing in them now will run even a bit longer. Lengthening the blind times, though good for the quality of the games, would not help us in building the games as we are attempting to do. Also, check with many who have played on these final tables and they will tell you there is usually a lot of action AND a lot of great play there. Some badbeats of course, but usually not because of chasers, etc. - unless you count me.


And lisamarie . . . :silly: :happy:





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[3vb0]

3vb0, though I do agree with your premise, the main problem with most of the ANS EO's right now is that they start 'late' for many players and with more playing in them now will run even a bit longer. Lengthening the blind times, though good for the quality of the games, would not help us in building the games as we are attempting to do. Also, check with many who have played on these final tables and they will tell you there is usually a lot of action AND a lot of great play there. Some badbeats of course, but usually not because of chasers, etc. - unless you count me.


I figured there was a reason you had chosen the 10 minute structure, but thought I'd make the suggestion anyway. :waytogo:

[Big Felter]

Thanks - has anyone recomended the other idea - listing of top 100 or so HP points earners every month.

Have seen that on other sites....

[Al N Smithee]

Thanks - has anyone recomended the other idea - listing of top 100 or so HP points earners every month.

Have seen that on other sites....


It's a good idea, a little outta my department . . . actually I don't even HAVE a department here at HP. But try putting it in the SUGGESTION BOX thread. HP monitors that one for good ideas.

Hope you try an Early Outer soon. But NOT because you are out early.


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[poker cins]

Al,

I like your tourney's when they are. Mondays we play Sam's tourney and now Wednesday is BA's tourneys. Can we not leave the tourneys where they are?

[doubleeaglec]

Al,

I like your tourney's when they are. Mondays we play Sam's tourney and now Wednesday is BA's tourneys. Can we not leave the tourneys where they are?


:agree: :agree: :agree:


:monkey:

[Al N Smithee]

of which I am one . . . I agree and don't really want another tourney to schedule, advertise, score and report on.

However, that being said . . . I do want everyone who would like to play but has legitimate reasons - like locations many timezones removed or daytime careers the next morning - to be able to make enough of these tourneys that they also have a fair shot at the ANS EO Series Monthly Race.

As long as HP is willing to put up the premiums for the benefit of their membership, I AM willing to make up and run a tourney that helps to serve the portion of that membership that has a legitimate concern about only being able to play one a week on Sundays and still be competitive on the monthly points basis.


Now, THAT BEING SAID . . .

178 people to date have viewed this thread and poll and ONLY 15 HAVE AN OPINION of when they'd like to play? Even if the choices DON'T help your particular situation, write up a short post of what would (as 3vb0 has done here). If you don't think people you know who would play at an earlier time KNOW THAT THIS OPTION OR POLL EVEN EXISTS, chase them in here to vote and/or express an opinion.

I am really on the fence right now as to if this 15 person response (some of whom play in the other 3 regularly already) really warrants an additional game. Convince me and I will do it.

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[Tallietru]

Hi Al,
Just a quick opinion on the early outers- I personally would prefer the Monday Niters because I can usually make it on a Monday nite. However, I inadvertently voted for the Wedneday(:rolleyes: oops).

This is a great series, but it may take some trial and error to determine when is best for those players you want to attract to the tourneys.

As a player who knows she can't make all of the early outers during the week all month, I can't expect to win the monthly; but that's all right because of the quality of players and play at the Early Outers.

The only suggestion that occurs is to have ratings levels based on how many of the tournys are played that month by a player, but that would probably be too complicated. to track.

Never forget, Al, how much we all appreciate the effort you put into the Early Outers.

Tallietru

[AndyM3000]

Mondays or Wednesdays are fine for me as long as its around 5-6.30 edt. That will make it about 10-11.30 here in the UK.

;)

[Sinatra74]

:waytogo: As a Pacific Timer I agree with double. Leave it where it is

[Al N Smithee]

To remind me.

[Sinatra74]

I'm in Arizona. Anything weekdays before 9PM Eastern I can't play:cry:
Weekends I'm open for anytime/ I definitely think all early outers should be scheduled according to when I can play:silly:

[Al N Smithee]

Sorry for those of you a time change for a 4th EARLIER Early Outer would have helped, but I am not going to add a 4th tourney at this time. Thank you all for your input and voting.

The other 3 are doing extremely well right now so I don't want to rock the boat with adding another one folks may feel obligated to play or then feel like they may be missing too many and NOT play the others.

I also, as I mentioned in earlier posts here, did not get the response of enough folks who REALLY needed this option of another time to play.

Based on THIS survey, were I to have added one, it would probably have been at 6:05 or 6:35 PM edt on Mondays as a 'prelude' to SamSal's Monday Night Tourney.

I may run a poll again in the future to see if MORE people would be in favour of supporting a 4th EARLIER scheduled tourney. It is not a dead issue at all. Just not something I felt compelled by a large enough mandate here to do at this time.


Thank you all once again.

Al N Smithee



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[kickin_ace]

and umm with all due respect
Godess of poker you are ... wow! If that is you in the pic!?

So, ummm, Felter, are you trying to pick up 3vbo? :gobble: