When did limit become the red-headed step child?

[Revelator59]

Seems to me that current wisdom is that No Limit is the only way to play Texas Hold 'em. When did limit go out of fashion? It's hard to find a limit tourney on any of the sites and even harder to find one in a B&M. Personally I prefer the patience and strategy required for limit but it seems that all the new players feel that "If you ain't all-in - you ain't playing."
Just wondering if there were still any old fashioned people like me still out there.......

Layne The Revelator

[DustinDMarks]

Seems to me that current wisdom is that No Limit is the only way to play Texas Hold 'em. When did limit go out of fashion? It's hard to find a limit tourney on any of the sites and even harder to find one in a B&M. Personally I prefer the patience and strategy required for limit but it seems that all the new players feel that "If you ain't all-in - you ain't playing."
Just wondering if there were still any old fashioned people like me still out there.......

Layne The Revelator

Limit tourneys have never been popular. They rarely have made up more than 40% of the tourneys at any stop.

UB does have limit tourneys on a regular basis, as does PokerStars.

B&M not having them, maybe you need to move to California. Both Oceans11 and Sycuan have limit events weekly.

I know that all of the big events in California have limit events along with the main event which is usually no-limit.

PartyPoker Millions is limit also.

[Revelator59]

Thanks for the info Dustin. But I'm also talking about the attitude that if you aren't playing No-Limit then you're just not down with the times. Seems all the new players have forsaken limit for the all-in rush. Maybe it's only me....

[gladi8er73x]

i think limit games are an asset to a well rounded poker player. i love limit games. tv has made no limit the game to play more than anything. there are still pros that use limit games as a mainstay (really high limit but limit none the less). and there are some great books out there on improving your limit game. oh wait there are no books you all just keep doing what you're doing. in my opinion, those who blow off limit and other games have just jumped on a bandwagon, and don't really want to learn everything poker has to offer. they will, in the long run, be donors for the most part.

[LawnChairBoy]

this nl holdem craze going on now is crazy. ask someone to play limit or any other game and they look at u like your crazy.i get sick of these people who think nl holdem is the greatest and that no other game is as good. most of the successful pros play limit holdem for their main source of income. the only time they usually play no limit is when they play tournaments. daniel negreanu the best tournamrnt player in the world plays limit. what a lot of these people who only like nl holdem dont realize is that limit is the only way to make money consistantly. daniel negreanu has won a couple of wpt events this year and is the wpt money leader but when he doesnt win a tournament for a while he will still be raking in the cash playing limit. a lot of the tournament players are broke. most of the tournament players u see on tv would be hammerd if they played with the top cash game players.

[HIGHLNDR]

Small Limit Games (under $4-$8) Have A Lot Of Drawbacks. Most Good Players Can Consistently Make $ At $4-$8 Or $10-$20 Table. Put The Same Player At A $.50-$1 Or A $1-$2 Table And They Seem To Always Get Beat. A $1 Raise Doesn't Scare Anyone Out They Seem To Stay To The River And Suck Out The Miracle Card. I Have Personally Seen Lots Players Call W/7 2 Os (or The Like) To The River With Me Betting Or Raising All The Way. I Can't Tell You The Beats I've Taken With Aa, Kk, Or Qq Against 2 Pair. 6's And 3's Etc...no=limit Is The Only Way To Bet Enough To Send The Chasers Back To Their Seats, Or If They Do Chase You Can Make Some Real Money

[honey_comb1]

Highlander? Like THE Highlander? :happy:

[LawnChairBoy]

Small Limit Games (under $4-$8) Have A Lot Of Drawbacks. Most Good Players Can Consistently Make $ At $4-$8 Or $10-$20 Table. Put The Same Player At A $.50-$1 Or A $1-$2 Table And They Seem To Always Get Beat. A $1 Raise Doesn't Scare Anyone Out They Seem To Stay To The River And Suck Out The Miracle Card. I Have Personally Seen Lots Players Call W/7 2 Os (or The Like) To The River With Me Betting Or Raising All The Way. I Can't Tell You The Beats I've Taken With Aa, Kk, Or Qq Against 2 Pair. 6's And 3's Etc...no=limit Is The Only Way To Bet Enough To Send The Chasers Back To Their Seats, Or If They Do Chase You Can Make Some Real Money

i agree with u that games under 4-8 have a lot of draw backs. but if u play higher limits 5-10 and up u will win more consitantly then if u play nl. limit is the way to go if u want to make money. if u play no limit the swings are to big and u risk going bust even with a big bankroll. if u are playing really low limit holdem nl is the way to go, but if u r playing 5-10 or higher limit is the best way. even at low nl tables people will chase, u wil win in the long run but u will take some big swings.

[coco beanner]

Limit poker online is suckout city.... I actually enjoy limit more than no limit at least from a ring game perspective. I agree if you are playing any limit smaller than 3/6 the variance or swings can be a killer. The argument can be made that these suckout players will be losers in the long run (I agree) but I just dont have fun playing against river rats. One or two at a table can be very profitable, but when you have 3-5 a the same table it can be very taxing.

In online tourney play I really enjoy no limit. There is nothing more fun than having pocket KK or AA and have 2 players move all in preflop before your turn to act.

[gladi8er73x]

Limit poker online is suckout city.... I actually enjoy limit more than no limit at least from a ring game perspective. I agree if you are playing any limit smaller than 3/6 the variance or swings can be a killer. The argument can be made that these suckout players will be losers in the long run (I agree) but I just dont have fun playing against river rats. One or two at a table can be very profitable, but when you have 3-5 a the same table it can be very taxing.

In online tourney play I really enjoy no limit. There is nothing more fun than having pocket KK or AA and have 2 players move all in preflop before your turn to act.



learning table selection is very important in low limit limit games for this reason. yet another skill that you can really learn the value of playing in these games. % of players at the flop, average pot and so on....find the tables with the least suckouts grab the poles and hope to at least get some decent starting hands. :happy: enjoy the fishin' lol

[DISCO75]

I like limit alot too...most of the people I play with don't like it all either. they can't stand when K :club: /K :heart: falls to 8 :diamond: 9 :diamond:
its all about value betting....somtiemes every draw you are on fails to hit and the other players are hitting all of their draws but thats poker..

Most of the time, im able to use my Limit winnings to finance my NL Tourney entries so it works out well.

[DonRock.Geo]

For ring games, I only play limit because it is pretty stress-free, which means I can play a few hundred hands a day "mindlessly" (well almost).

For a tournament, I am not too concerned with pot odds and stuff like that. So no-limit is great because other players usually go overboard all by themselves; all I need to do is sit tight and wait for them to eliminate themselves.

So, basically a no-limit tournament speeds up things and adds some drama to the whole thing. NL tournaments are fun and can give a lot of action if you're in the mood for excitement.

As for limit-tournaments, I love them but it requires a little more patience and a lot more strategy. In a limit-tournament, it really boils down to who is the better player. So, if you are an experienced poker player, a limit tournament is an advantage.

Just my two cents.

[Jankow x]

I agree with HIGHLNDR's comments on the 1st page.

I tend to do better at limit than no limit ring games at high levels (even at $2/$4 some of the foolishness goes away). It's true ring limit tables at $1/$2 or less, people seem to chase with almost anything.

I agree also that Tourneys at NL are different and are the "in game" right now. I remenber when 7 stud Hi/Lo was the hot game, but as with anything it will all come around again.

[-Raen-]

No limit is a beautiful game that allows for some rather discouraging swings. Besides the popularity of no limit on TV, I think a lot of it comes from the excitement that one can find by sitting in a no limit game. Especially tournaments where everyone starts out even.

It is a pity that most of them will never play limit, but they don't seem to understand that it can be just as enjoyable and sometimes more profitable.

[physsie1]

I have two words for why i only play no limit texas holdem
ALL IN
I love the rush :silly:

[Sassyx1]

On line I usually prefer to play limit. At our home poker games though, it's always no limit. :heart: :club: :diamond: :spade:

[Dix_]

Limit poker online is suckout city.... I actually enjoy limit more than no limit at least from a ring game perspective. I agree if you are playing any limit smaller than 3/6 the variance or swings can be a killer. The argument can be made that these suckout players will be losers in the long run (I agree) but I just dont have fun playing against river rats. One or two at a table can be very profitable, but when you have 3-5 a the same table it can be very taxing.

Which is why Pot-Limit is my cash game of choice.

At least you can bet enough to protect your hand and make draws pay a price.

And you don't get the "all-in on any Ace" bingo players as much as the no-limit tables... you actually have to play poker. :happy:

It's why I like PokerRoom (and hence Hollywood Poker)... more Pot-Limit action than other sites,

[xxOvOxx]

Limit Hold em' is bread and butter baby! It is a good way to earn a steady income without the risk of blowing your whole wad on one hand (of course you have to play the game correctly! -see Sklansky) I suppose this no limit craze came into focus after the movie Rounders came out and finally gelled after the broadcast of the 2003 WSOP. Go into any casino and limit still rules in number of tables/games available.

[Hogpile]

I don't know about everyone else, but I can tell you why I like NL better than limit hold em:

I like NL better, because you can chase out people that are fishing, when you have the better hand, or make them pay more dearly for fishing when they come up dry. In limit, people will fish straight & flush draws all day, even more, and in worse cases than NL.

I like limit though, and will play it. I just like NL better, because I think it requires more strategy. I also think it's more popular because it's more exciting.

[OCVI]

I don't know about everyone else, but I can tell you why I like NL better than limit hold em:

I like NL better, because you can chase out people that are fishing, when you have the better hand, or make them pay more dearly for fishing when they come up dry. In limit, people will fish straight & flush draws all day, even more, and in worse cases than NL.

I like limit though, and will play it. I just like NL better, because I think it requires more strategy. I also think it's more popular because it's more exciting.

NL requires different strategy for sure, I don't think you can say "more strategy" because that's like saying Book A is more a book than Book B. The strategy about NL is much less about aggression, and much more about situational logic. Limit is much more about aggression, and much less about situation so much as formal logic. There is more of less a right way to play limit, but in NL its much less formal, much more about feel and situation. Recall (with the exception of tells and betting patters specific to a player) is much less important for NL and NL tourney than limit - limit is very much about recalling how to play each type of situation, rather than the specific hand in question. Thats why limit is bread and butter for multitablers especially, who can make the right choice more often than not and profit from it. In NL making one wrong choice after 5 correct ones is more likely to show a negative return than in limit.

Ironically, the profitable limit player will put more money in the pot when losing than a winning NL player will, but has the potential to be equally profitable nonetheless because the limit player will charge everyone a bet to see that next card, even if they have to pay off when the river is BS.

And until you take 4, 1:1080 bad beats in the span of as many months, you may never know the pain of being a profitable limit player. :yawn:

[Hogpile]

NL requires different strategy for sure, I don't think you can say "more strategy" because that's like saying Book A is more a book than Book B. The strategy about NL is much less about aggression, and much more about situational logic. Limit is much more about aggression, and much less about situation so much as formal logic. There is more of less a right way to play limit, but in NL its much less formal, much more about feel and situation. Recall (with the exception of tells and betting patters specific to a player) is much less important for NL and NL tourney than limit - limit is very much about recalling how to play each type of situation, rather than the specific hand in question. Thats why limit is bread and butter for multitablers especially, who can make the right choice more often than not and profit from it. In NL making one wrong choice after 5 correct ones is more likely to show a negative return than in limit.

Ironically, the profitable limit player will put more money in the pot when losing than a winning NL player will, but has the potential to be equally profitable nonetheless because the limit player will charge everyone a bet to see that next card, even if they have to pay off when the river is BS.

And until you take 4, 1:1080 bad beats in the span of as many months, you may never know the pain of being a profitable limit player. :yawn:

I guess it's all how you look at it. I think recall is far more important in NL than in limit. Knowing a player, his/her betting tendencies, if they are loose or tight, is more important than in limit, because the stakes are much higher.

[OCVI]

I guess it's all how you look at it. I think recall is far more important in NL than in limit. Knowing a player, his/her betting tendencies, if they are loose or tight, is more important than in limit, because the stakes are much higher.

Note the exception I put. Most people will say recall is more important in NL (generally, quite correctly), because they are refering to specific recall about a player, their tendencies etc. which is huge in NL, and not that important in limit. I meant recall more in the sense of being able to categorize situations and then execute the correct play, but obviously that's less important in NL where potentially every situation requires a different play. Then what you're looking for is a read on the player or their style, rather than remembering how to play a kind of hand.

[plubstone]

I have only been playing for real money for about 2 weeks. I probably lost about $100 on NL MTTs. Then last night I joined a 10+1 Limit Mtt by accident and ended up coming 1st and winning $510!!!

It seems that once the blinds get pretty big, then it pretty easy to lose all your money (or get all of somebody elses!) pretty quickly.

Alot of the articles and things I found online were all about limit poker and I had been trying to aply those principles to NL. Some worked some didn't. But switching to limit it all seems to make sense.

I am up another $40 thismorning, so I think for the sake of my bankroll I am at least going to play a few more Limit games.

[OCVI]

I have only been playing for real money for about 2 weeks. I probably lost about $100 on NL MTTs. Then last night I joined a 10+1 Limit Mtt by accident and ended up coming 1st and winning $510!!!

It seems that once the blinds get pretty big, then it pretty easy to lose all your money (or get all of somebody elses!) pretty quickly.

Alot of the articles and things I found online were all about limit poker and I had been trying to aply those principles to NL. Some worked some didn't. But switching to limit it all seems to make sense.

I am up another $40 thismorning, so I think for the sake of my bankroll I am at least going to play a few more Limit games.

Just remember limit is a longterm game (versus NL or tourneys) and so making money playing limit generally doesn't give you the sudden gratification you would get from winning a MTT.

All that said, good luck. The limit games can always use some new blood. :waytogo:

[wolfgang1337]

Thanks for the info Dustin. But I'm also talking about the attitude that if you aren't playing No-Limit then you're just not down with the times. Seems all the new players have forsaken limit for the all-in rush. Maybe it's only me....
I just personally find a lot of players are chip tossing in limit games. It's difficult enough to get a read on someone if you're both behind a computer... and it makes it even more difficult to get a read on a person if they don't feel there's much risk.